Curvy model, and self love/body acceptance advocate, Jess Kahler, shares her journey to self love and positive body image. Her main passion in life is to lift others up and help them see what’s on the inside vs what’s on the outside.
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Hello and welcome back to the Girls Get Off podcast. Today, oh my gosh, that was such an exciting guest. Jess just kinda upped my parenting game, my body confidence, self love, like everything, all in one. What did you think? Yeah, I thought that was great. I mean, Jess touches on the idea that, you know, there's only a handful of people that she's met who haven't experienced, you know, being caught in the trap of dieting or trying to restrict eating binge eating as well. So I think it is an important listen for a lot of people. And in addition to that, it also touches on, you know, whether, you know, it doesn't matter your dress size, your dress size doesn't equal whether you're like beautiful or lovable or anything like that. Like that's a side story. So I think that there's plenty in this podcast. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna help so many people. But yeah, where did those parenting tips come from? Cause I'm like, oh my gosh, I need to go home. But no, so as somebody, I guess, that's struggled my whole life with kind of body confidence and stuff. Yeah, I think I said at one point, where were you 10 years ago? I wish I had this outlook for a lot longer. I think most people have, and I think the most important thing to note is that like Jess says, it's a journey, like she's still relatively early on in her journey and like look at the leaps and bounds that she's made in such a short space of time and she's just like glowing with confidence, you know, you can just tell that it just runs deep for her. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's inbuilt now for her, you can definitely see that. And I have a little bio here for Jess. So she's 27 and a curve model and self-love and body acceptance advocate. She's also a beauty therapist and a mum. So her main passion in life is to lift other people up and to help them see their worth of what's on the inside instead of the outside. And welcome to the podcast, Jess. Thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. We are so excited as well. Now I wanna dive straight into things and you talk about a time when you didn't love your body and now you're a role model for other women in the body confidence space. So what changed for you? It was COVID, it was 2020. I feel like so many stories start with that. But it was 2020. I think I've been on diet since I was about five that I can remember. And yeah, it was COVID, I was on keto and I was just feeling so shit and I had my tiny little toddler, you know, I was taking the horrible before and after photos and she like lifted up her shirt and she's like looking at her tummy and I just had an oh my God moment and I was like, she's watching me and hell no, I can't continue like this. terrible cycle. And so, yeah, I got off keto and just decided to go for it. I was like I'm going to love my body for what it is and not what I wish it to be. And I focused more on who I was on the inside and how I was treating people. And yeah, it just kind of started from there. But, yeah. So powerful. I feel like being a mum myself, I feel like some of like the best kind of and biggest decisions in life have just been made so clear because my kids, so totally, totally get that. Do it for yourself, do it for them. Yeah, 100%. And what is the story behind dieting since you were five? I... I was a bit bigger. I wasn't huge, but I was just a little bit bigger than my other siblings. I very much had an emotional eating disorder, but my parents just weren't self-aware to that. So it was very much, I was hungry all the time. And I think my mom just did the best that she could, but obviously very different generation. And yeah, so I was always on tuna salads. Gosh. Yeah. Yeah, do you think, I just know that, you know, like when I unpack stuff, a lot of mine came to, you know, how I was brought up and everything. And it was a totally different generation on weight and the importance, like my family anyway, had on weight was ridiculous. Like, yeah, and I know gosh, it affected me well into my. adult years. 100%. I was going to say, have you spoken to your parents about it at all? Yeah, I mean, my mum and I still, you know, we've had about it occasionally, but I guess really different generations, she just doesn't get it. And, and that's fine. I accept her for who she is. And, but yeah, we're still trying to unpack it, I think. Yeah. It's a journey. Yeah, parents. But it's just such a different generation, you know. such a yeah, that dieting was everything. How often do you meet others who have been in a similar situation to you, maybe battled with say dieting in the past or just putting that pressure on themselves to yeah, look a certain way? I think I've only ever met like five people who didn't and the rest everyone has, like everyone's, it's just such our culture. or it was, but it still kind of is. But I'm a beauty therapist, I meet women all the time. And I think when you stand on the outside of not dieting and not like into that diet culture, it just sounds so wild when someone comes in and they're talking about their body and they're talking about dieting and they wanna lose weight so they can go to this thing. And it just, yeah, it feels so normal now to be out of diet culture and it just, yeah, it's so. while that you're waiting, you're putting your life on hold until you look a certain way. If that makes sense. That's such a good way to put it. Yeah, so relatable too, hey. And what advice do you give? Do you kind of give these people advice on when they kind of talk to you about dieting or anything or do they kind of look to you for advice? Unfortunately, I try not to give too much advice as I like people to come to the epiphany on their own But I think the relevance that I put on it is that when you die They will not write on your tombstone whether you had ripping abs whether you were rich Whether you had good boobs like they won't write that they'll write whether you were missed whether you're a good person Whether you know you were a mum or you're a sister or do you know what I mean? Like they're not going to write what you look like. So, like the relevance of that when you stop and think, like I'm wasting my life trying to look like this unrealistic expectation. And I just really tell them, you know, like if you just stop the negative self-talk, and I think it really starts with how you talk to yourself and you know, who you hang around and what you watch, because what you... what you look at becomes what you think about, what you think about becomes what you say, what you say becomes what you do. And yet so powerful to make sure that you're only absorbing good things. Yeah, amen. That's so true. I'm a huge fan of that. Now describe to us the emotions that you experienced when you were trying to say, get the body that you wanted, when you talk about the beginning of the... the years leading up to your change and then versus when you started loving and accepting yourself. I think it's such a roller coaster because there's that false happiness and when you lose weight people are like, oh my god, you look so good or congratulations, blah, blah. And it's such a toxic cycle because it's like to kind of, I don't even think... people realise that they're wanting that affirmation of other people's, you know, you look so good and you feel so shitty but you feel so good at the same time and but it's never enough and so you lose some weight and then someone says something but then everyone stops saying something so you lose a little bit more and then it stops and then you binge eat but then you feel terrible for binge eating so you binge eat a bit more. But then you go, but you know, like it's just this, it's like a hamster wheel. You're talking my language. It's like a hamster wheel, isn't it? Like, you know, I'm upset, so I'm gonna eat, but then I feel really shit about it, so I'm gonna eat some more. Yeah. It's just like this never ending cycle of just feeling worthless. And I think that's what it comes down to. When you have self-love, you don't need the affirmation of other people. And so when you're on that kind of, wild hamster wheel, you don't have any self love. So do you know what I mean? Like it's just this crazy hamster wheel that you cannot get off. Yeah. But it's horrible. And so how has that changed for you? What are your feelings around self love? What do they look like now? I love self love. Just like, I think when you have self love, You see people so differently because it's not about what they can say to you or give to you. You just see them as a person. And you know that attachment of will they validate me? It's very subconscious but it's not there anymore because I can validate myself and my worth is not in my body. It's in am I kind to someone? You know, would I help someone? That kind of thing. I've kind of forgotten what question you asked. Oh, no, it was just my mom, right? No, you've hit the nail on the head there. It was more just, you know, what the difference in the emotions between all those years of your life versus where you are now. Has it changed all areas of your life now? All areas. Even my relationship with my husband. Yeah, friendships, just even. being like an advocate, I don't allow other people to put themselves down. Like there's no negative toxic friendships. It just changes everything. It changes, you know, the way we think about exercise and just everything, you know, eating or everything's just like a gift, like nothing is owed to you. I love that. That's such a way. That's such a lovely way of looking at things. Yeah, it's just like everything you get is a gift. Um, and it's, and it's an opportunity. Like tomorrow isn't promised. Yeah. Amazing. Being a content creator on Instagram mainly, um, what role has social media played in the body positivity journey? I think, you know, when I started, I didn't start. to be an influencer. I was just sharing my journey because there's something so powerful about being raw and being real and being vulnerable. And it allowed me the space to wake up and realize that what you're looking at, the girl on the cover actually isn't the girl on the cover. And I think when you realize that you're trying to live up to a fake expectation, you kind of wake up and go, oh, okay, like. I'm actually normal and this is like, this is a fake version of reality. It gave me a chance to meet other people that were like me and I don't think I'd ever met people who shared the same journey or the same struggle until I was in the Instagram space. Yeah, it just opened so many doors that I didn't even know were there. It's um, yeah, it's been really, really... really powerful. And just from talking to you, like the way, yeah, the way I guess that you're talking about this journey and this experience, it's so clear to me that you've had this huge perspective shift. What were the things that helped you? Was it just like this epiphany that you had on your own, like you mentioned, or were there things that, like the content that you were consuming, like what helped you get here? I definitely think it was an epiphany, but the people that I was following, They were just so instrumental because they were like 20 steps ahead of me but they were sharing their journey and they were sharing tips of how to get there and how to just live this happy life where you weren't consumed with dieting. So I think definitely other people helped me for sure and gave me those tools within their content of how to get to where I am now. Yeah. Nice, that's good to know and a good lesson for, to like do a little cleanse every now and then of who you are following. Absolutely. Because it does make a huge difference as to what you're consuming. Absolutely. Yeah, totally, totally. When you look back, do you find that it was also a bit of a warped sense of reality? Like, do you kind of look back and think, what was I? What was I even trying to change? Like I was so fine, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I think we can all look back on photos and be like, it wasn't even that big. What was I, you know, like we're so harsh to ourselves. I know, I know. That was one of my biggest things, I think, even when I first met Viv like a few years back or something. And you know, I'd just tell everybody until I was, 30 something, like I'd tell everybody that, you know, oh, I was the fat kid at school, like never dated or anything because, you know, I was just a fat kid growing up, didn't know any different. And then somebody from school posted a photo that I was in from school. And I was like, what? I'm like, how many times have I said, Viv, I'm not even fat. I'm not even fat. Yeah. This realization. Oh my gosh. And it's huge. Like it's huge. It's just like this massive lie that, you know, yeah. And it's just, I think sometimes we take on other people's baggage and what other people think of us or what Jay Shetty says, I'm not what I think I am. I'm not what you think I am. I am what I think you think I am. That's so true. Right. And I think sometimes if you're not self-aware and you're not grounded you just Think oh that person thinks that or you know, I was the fat kid at school, you know But if no one ever says to you, hey, you know, let's stop and let's look at it like in real light Yeah, whereas now I can look back and go hey, I had an eating disorder because I was searching for that emotional love Um, and, and not getting obviously what I needed. Um, I wasn't the fat kid. My, my siblings were just really, really thin. I was really, really thin and I lived in, they were really, really thin. And I lived in a small, small country town, you know, like they're just, yeah. It, but if you can kind of see it for what it was and yeah, I do, I think I lived in a very false reality and. Yeah. You know, we didn't see plus size women. We didn't see size 12 on a runway. So if you're trying to live up to a size six. And yeah, I don't even think we saw size 10 on a runway. No, like, you know, and you're, and you've got hips and I've always had hips. Like you're trying to break yourself down into this size six body when you will never be anything below a 14. Like. Do you know what I mean? And I think what's beautiful about the community now is that everyone is celebrated. And there's a real movement that, and I say to people all the time when they compare bodies, and I say, you know, like, but your body has worth and your body is perfect for you. Like you don't have to look like me, I don't have to look like you. And it's a very freeing feeling. to think that everyone belongs. And when you're an advocate for your body type or shape, I couldn't imagine what my life would have looked like if I had have had a role model that looked like me back when I was younger. Do you know what I mean? To see yourself represented. Yeah, it's just like this feeling of not being alone. Yeah. I love that. And so what would you say to those who might be listening who are struggling to love themselves or they're kind of wanting to figure out how they can gain a little bit more confidence back in their bodies? Absolutely. I think you know you have to start with how you talk to yourself. How you talk to yourself, what you're watching, go onto your Instagram. You can't cull more than a hundred people at a time or you'll get shadow banned. But you know if someone is not bringing joy, respect and everything to your brain, just unfollow. It's nothing personal, but just unfollow that person and follow people who are going the same way as you and who are bringing that real joy and encouragement to your life. So really how you talk to yourself, unfollowing people on Instagram, on the internet, in real life that aren't bringing that joy. Really knowing your body, I think I'm so big on, you know, my morning mantra is meditate, masturbate, rehydrate. I think when you know your body and you can give your body what it's needing, even if you're not someone who likes to masturbate, even if you, you know, whatever it is, wearing clothes that make you feel confident. Um, I like to start my day with gratitude because when you have gratitude, it's very difficult to feel negative or like upset because you're like, there's so many things to be grateful for. Um, but yeah, just really being around people who tell you the truth and yeah, in a kind and gentle way. I laughed when you said that because I just saw my auntie for the first time in a while last weekend. And she was like, Shit, you got fat. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, honesty is great. I left there thinking I'm so glad she says it to my face, not behind my back, so, you know. And you know what? To be able to hear that, let it pass through and let it go. Yeah. We were at a brunch the other day for Curve Content Creators and it was amazing. It was like being with people who knew every struggle that you've ever had. And someone said, I'm fat, give me, we're all fat here. And I said to her, excuse me, I said, I'm not fat. Like I have blood, but I'm not blood. Like I have fingernails. Does that mean that I'm fingernails? Anyway, and she said, you know, that's totally fine. Like we're all allowed to identify however we want to. And yeah, she's like, there are some of us are fat, fingernails over here will have another croissant. Um, but you know, just allowing people's words to just pass through. Yeah. That's something I have to do a lot because I'm generally the biggest person anywhere I go. Yeah. Apart from this event. Um, yeah, I, yeah, I, I find myself noticing little changes as well. And I guess for people struggling like little things. make a big difference, right? Like just flicking through on Bumble. Yay me. Last night. But you know, and one of the, one of somebody's profiles was like looking for a hottie this and I'm like, you know what, if this is your attitude, like before you're even finding someone, who, who even wants to go there? And then it, but it was amazing how many popped up and I thought, gosh, I hope. so many girls have enough self-worth to be just swiping left. What did they say? Swiping left. Looking for a hottie. Yeah, one said looking for a hottie and I was like, you're just a dick. But there was a lot more, there were some that were really, really dicky. But like what even is a hottie? Yeah, being just as doesn't associate with how beautiful you are. Oh yeah, see this is me needing to unpack my issues from having the way I was brought up. 100% and sorry. No, I'm just thinking, that's just how I can imagine. I probably shouldn't say it on the podcast, but that's how I can imagine. somebody that was a big influence in my life would like really, you know, probably talk to grading and stuff like that. So yeah, okay. Those are my issues. But it's like, you know, there's nothing wrong with saying that because that obviously is a trigger. That's obviously a trigger for you. And I mean, we're all on our journeys. Like, I'm not super confident every single day, like, but it's okay to have moments where you're like, oh my God, you know, But redefining what people have put on you and who you are, like just because that's someone's opinion or someone's trauma that they're like pressing on to you. Yeah, that doesn't mean that that's who you are. And I think really like when you have that self love coming back to that self love, you can affirm yourself and you could be anyone that you want to be. Right? Like if you can think it, you can do it. And what we like most about people is their confidence. And it wouldn't matter what you wore. And I'm actually about to do a shoot in a garbage bag because it wouldn't matter what you wore or what you looked like. If you were super confident and you were vibing yourself, people are attracted to that. They are attracted. Yeah. They think that they're attracted to the shiny thing, but they're actually not. Because if you stood two people beside themselves, one who loved themselves and one who didn't, you're going to be attracted to the person who loves themselves. Because they're confident, they don't care what you think. You know, I just went to a pool party and I was walking around in heels and a white string bikini. And like, I was just living my best life. Like, I could not imagine have doing that like three years ago. Do you know what I mean? But it's because I don't care. I don't, who are these people? I don't know them. Do you know what I mean? And I think when people do have that confidence, it just like oozes out of them with their body language, like they're open, they're talking, you know, they look happy versus someone who's maybe unsure of it, like playing with their clothes or, you know, trying to adjust things or whatever. Like it becomes quite obvious, doesn't it? Absolutely. And someone once said to me, you know, if your skirt is riding up, don't touch it. Don't pull it down, just let it be because generally it's not looking anything wrong but if you touch it and you keep pulling it down, all the focus is on that. Whereas if you just walked in there and you were just your most confident self, no one would notice. I'll be pulling the skirt down for two days. Cause I know you can see my undies are so short. I know. I was worried. That's so funny. When you were saying that my mind's going to me at the markets in my little short denim shorts last week and I kept pulling them out. I was like, oh, I'm so tired. Obviously there's like moments where it might be going up your arse, but like, mostly like, I think, you know, we attract. what we think we deserve. And yeah, it's just those vibes that you're putting out, you know, what- Wow, that's actually true. Yeah, how you think of yourself is like, it's putting out like a bat signal. Where were you 10 years ago for me? I was, I was, I was, we won't talk about that. But it's just, you know, we learn stuff every day. I learn stuff about myself every day and I'm so new to my journey. And I say that to people all the time. Like I'm still so new and I'm still working through all of my trauma and my issues. But life doesn't stop just because you have problems. Like, do you know what I mean? Like just grab the problem and let's get on the road. Like we'll deal with it whilst we live life. Um, yeah, it's so cool. I love that. That's such a good outlook. That's awesome. Yeah. So do you have days when you're tempted to go back to dieting or like punishing yourself with exercise and if so, what tools do you have to manage that self-talk? Absolutely. I mean, especially restricting of food is such a big one. I don't have as many days anymore, but... I get my journal out, I get my journal out and I write down all my feelings and you know and get to the root of the problem of why am I feeling like this and even binge eating is an easy one to slip back into and I have this little chat in my brain, I sound like a real fruit loop, but I have this chat and I'm like you can eat it but will it make you feel any better? like in some days, yeah, and I have this. I'm so relating to this. I like that you lean into the problem, right? I'll think of that next time I order Uber Eats. But you have to get to the problem of, you know, why do I want to do this? And you can, and I have a very reasonable side of my brain that says, hey, we can, but is it gonna fix the problem? Is it gonna make you feel any better? And some days I'm like, I don't fucking care. Excuse my language. I don't care. I'm going to eat it anyway. And then other days I'm like, no, you know what? You're right. I am starving for this. I'm starving for emotional connection. I'm starving for... It's not actually food that you're hungry for if you're talking eating disorders. And that is so powerful to be able to sit down and get all of your thoughts onto a paper. And you know, I like to cross out the things that I can't fix. and then I deal with the things that I can fix. And it kind of, it takes like this massive dwelling of emotion, then it breaks it down to a manageable, easier chunk. And some days I eat the food, you know, some days I've got that block of chocolate and it's mine. But they get fewer and further between the more that you can reason with, hey, why do I feel like this? And how are we going to fix it and not just live so many more years just repeating the same stupid cycle. There's going to be people pausing in the confectionery aisle at the supermarket after this. Hold on, I've got to journal the temptations too much. No, but it's not even about that. I don't believe that there are any bad foods. I just think, I say to my little girl all the time, it's something that I'm really proud of and I've been working on. is only eating till I'm full and you know reaching for foods that are actually going to nourish my body and you know if chocolate's going to do that for you it's going to do that for you but yeah just eating till you're physically full not emotionally full. Yeah that's a whole other level like on those emotional days it's just like a bottomless pit of a stomach. Go, go, go. And having, oh, sorry. No, no, no. I was gonna say like it affects me more than, you know, just weight gain for instance, because I swear I wouldn't be able to get a home line because my Uber Eats coming out of my account. Absolutely. Having a toddler, I suddenly had this epiphany about a year ago that in our society, we very much use food as a reward. So, you know, if a girlfriend breaks up with someone, what's the first thing you say? Oh, it's fine, honey, it's fine. I'll bring the ice cream. We'll have a binge, it'll be fine. You know, if a kid is crying, what does grandma say? It's fine, sweetie, have a cookie. You know, it's gonna be okay. You know, if you've done well at school, let's get a treat on the way home. And like, if you can realise that like, we tend to use food as a reward system. or is it making ourselves feel better? Yeah. Yeah, like do I need, am I actually hung? Guilty. Yeah, but I mean it's everyone. Like anyone that I've said that to has gone, oh my God, that's like my whole life. That's so true. Like even at school, like chocolate fish at school, when you finished your work, or yeah, Lolli's after certain things on days of the week, and wow, I'd never actually thought about that before. But I like what you're saying in terms of, Yeah, I agree with the no good foods, bad foods. It's about being a healthy person, right? Versus, you know, yes or no food. And it's very much I've found if I've restricted, it just doesn't go well. So it's better to, I have so much chocolate in my fridge. Doesn't mean I eat it, but it's there. And the fact that it's there, because like after a while I know that it's there. And so it's like this comforting feeling of it's there, but I actually don't have to eat it, but it's there if I need it. I'm not at that level yet. But that's okay. You know, you'll get to that level where you're just like, and I never understood people who could have, you know, all of this, like sweets in their house and not eat it. But like- People that bake and don't eat the whole thing in one go? Like, I just don't bake. I just don't bake. Yeah. I would, yeah, and I think how do people like make a batch of cookies for their kids or something and then they put two cookies in the kids lunchbox a week. I'm like, I have to tell even when anything comes into the house, I tell my son, take it away, hide it from me. Like just can't, can't do it. Yeah, but you know, it's a journey. It's a really, it's a journey and everyone's journey looks really, really different. And what healthy is to one person isn't what it is to the next. So don't be too hard on yourself. I don't know. I wanna jump on your journey. You know, it's a journey. Some days it doesn't look so pretty. Yeah. What reward system are you using for your kids? One toddler or multiple kids? Just one. Oh my God. Just one so far. Just one. We really, we don't try and give her things. So knowing your child's love language is so important. So my child is physical touch and words of affirmation, her main one. So for me to give her a gift, it's not gonna mean much. Like it's cool, but that doesn't fill her love tank. And I think it's really important to know what your child or your spouse or your friend's love tank is. So she's really words. And I was listening to a podcast the other day that was saying, you know, when you say to a child, you naturally say, I'm so proud of you. But if you can turn it around and say to them, you must be so proud of yourself, you then raise someone who can be self-reliant on themselves that she can be proud of herself, that she doesn't need the affirmation of other people. So we really try and affirm her, but also allow her to affirm herself. Um, that's so good. That's very cool. And cheap. Oh, you don't want to, you don't want to like a, what is it? Physical. What is it? Gifts. Yeah. It's a gifts kid. You know, the words of affirmation, but like, you know, just knowing what her love language is, so it's not even. I hope your kids love language isn't physical touch. You should see Viv when she comes across a kid, she'll like, pat its back. My love language is yes. And I've got two people who are physical touch and words of affirmation. So you know, it is hard. It's hard. But you know, I just think this is what she needs. So yeah, there's a lot of touching. But you just do it, you know, you're a parent, it's just what you do. But I also have a no touch zone where my husband will know that I'm in a no touch zone, so everyone just don't touch me. And I think having that communication of that, and we tell her all the time, you're like, just because you love touching doesn't mean other people do. So you need to be aware of that. That not everyone loves that. But we just, yeah, we just. I don't know, probably more words when she does things because they mean so much more to her than a gift. If that makes sense. Yeah. That's amazing. I'm, I'm trying to think of what Aloe's love languages right now. Once you're like, once you're aware though, you can pick up them so easily. Like I can tell you what all of my clients love languages are. Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. I just think Aloe's. probably across the board, he's everything anyway. Some people are, and some people aren't. Do you guys know what you are? I'm not GIFs. I can tell you that. I did the quiz thing and I was just so pissed off at the end of it that I wasted like 15 minutes of my life answering these questions. No, I don't like GIFs, don't give me GIFs. I was like. Yeah, I feel like I have done the quiz before, but I can't remember what the results were. I'd have to go back and have a little quiz again. But anyway, I think that's all the questions that I did have for you. Where can people find you if they wanna find out more about you, have a look at your content? So I'm on Instagram as Jess underscore Kayla, K-A-H-L-E-R. I'm pretty much just there. I've tried to reach out to TikTok, but it's just... It's just too hard. But yeah, I'm there. My DMs are always open. As I said, I'm still on my journey, so we're all learning together. But yeah, jump in any time. That's amazing. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today, Jess. It has been a pleasure. And I'm sure lots of learnings to be had for all. I know. I'm starting to think our whole podcast is just a therapy session for me. I get so much out of them, it's so great. It's so great. And it's such an important topic. I think you talked at the beginning about you only knowing a handful of people who hadn't experienced not dieting or anything. So it's a hugely important topic and we're really appreciative of your time. Thank you so much for having me. It's been absolutely amazing. I love you guys, love everything that you're about. And yeah, it's such an important topic to break down those walls. Thanks Jess. Amazing. Thanks so much Jess. Thanks for listening to another episode of the Girls Get Off podcast. You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook group as Girls Get Off Uncensored, and you can obviously find us at girlsgetoff.com. Make sure if you're on Spotify, you leave us five stars, and if you're listening on Apple or Google Play, then make sure you leave us a review. We'll pick people every week or every month to receive a Tiff or a Missy Mini, and check out our new products, including Cleanies and Lube, now available online.









